Remembering September 11

    • Mrs.Unfaithful كتب:

      NaWaaaaaR

      thanks for the deep response, you did cover all aspects of the isuue, but it would be really endless to discuss it in a political point of view... there are like 100 different analysis of what exactly happened .. WHO have really done it... And why it was done at the first place

      The Main Point here is that People's lives were lost bruetaly. Mothers, fathers, children ... etc.. 3,000 people were lost ... and those had to business what so ever with the politics behind this sick act.

      i never went accross the link you provided before, but i am not very surprised.. we dont know who to believe or trust anymore... the only thing we truly believe in is that the people who died that day did not deserve it.. ... and they deserve a prayer of mercy on them.

      And who ever was behind that act, will eventually get the penalty and shame of thier actions reflected upon themselves


      Certainly Mrs Unfaithful o Allah yer7amhom jamee3an

    • I swear i didnt even catch the misspelling.... Mashallah guys dont EVER miss it .. do they???s

      Tenderness honestly you made me feel embaressed.. d**n I havent noticed that, balash fa'9aye7 ya ebni o ester 3alay

      Sheftay eshloon?? ma bga lena shay ngloolah
      I laughed myself and I laughed hard.. spelling mistakes do make difference

      Hahaha, keep your eyes open next time Mrs :P, and like NaWaR said, spelling mistakes do make difference, and usually make me laugh

      I wanted to modify it but the public demands can not be ignored in any way
      :P :P :P

    • Scream كتب:

      dont want to go through this.. it was just a "Gentle Reminder" for only a fraction of tragedies.. and to say a prayer or two for a fraction of victims that are lost

      Do they deserve our prayers?!! Well, I haven't at all pray for them and I will never. I may be cruel in my judgment but my prayers worse my own people who are sinking in bloods. I always pray for our people in Palestine, Iraq, Bosnah, and every part in the world where Muslims are suffering. Sometimes, I wish if I were in their position and to die a death like theirs. To be SAHIDAH rather than dying any normal death.

      May Allah bless all Muslim people around the world.




      Scream
      you pray for "your" people in palistine, Iraq, and Bosnah???s
      I am not sure what the definition of "YOUR" people is... Do they have two heads, or Blue Blood??? What makes them so special to deserve life more than others???s


      just in case you dont know already
      There are Christian and Jewish Palistinians
      There are Christian and Jewish Iraqis.
      There are Orthodox Christian Bosnians

      So its OK for those to be killed ... ??s

      You dont have to explain, thats your opinion
      If being a racist is equavilant to being good to you .. then be it

      You may want to Include Hitler in your prayer ... i am sure you approve his mentality ..

    • eL3aJoOoZ_NaWaR كتب:


      Dear Scream, I want to comment on two things here, first saying prayers and the other one is wishing to be in their place..

      firstly, anyone deserves a prayer, you are not praying for the people only, I will never know what Allah will do for those who died that day. But a prayer wouldnt harm you, instead it may safe them from going to hell.. I understand that Arabs who suffer are worth it, but it's not that we are not praying for them too, but we should have bigger heart and pray for the INNOCENT people.. if this is your case then do not say any prayer to any person who died without feeling the suffer those palestinians are suffering, can you do that? I bet you cant and then you will start contradicting yourself. We did not ignore the iraqis and arabs who died in wars, but we also should think about how those westerners think about us... they also think that arabs who died were innocent.. we should spread love not hatred because it leads us to wars, thats why we are in a middle of splitting blood every where..

      the second thing is, I heard in one of the teachings of prophet Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him) that we should not wish to die, it is good to die as shaheed but what sort of dying are we talking about here? Is it a suicide bombing death? or being shot for no reason? There is du3a2 says:

      اللهم إني أسألك حُسن الخاتمة

      I really dont wish to die like they do, and I prefer to die in a nice way.. If im fighting in a war, thats a good one because I know im fighting to win or to die.. we should always remember that wishing for horrible ways of death is not pleasent, as far as I know.

      Im just saying my opinion and not saying that you are wrong, but perhaps it makes you think again but not ourselves but others as well..

      Cheers


      Thanks Nawar for your comment. But, it is something insdie me that i can not say anu prayer for people who died in 11 September.. Honestly, I felt happy mostly when I knew that the Tower was hitted by the plan. I do also felt sorry about people who died that day but i couldn't say may allah bless their souls. It is just something that i can't change.. But honestly, have you ever tried to say may Allah bless the souls of all people who died in that day, or you just say it here. For me, i can't at all say Allah yr7mhm :confused:

    • Mrs.Unfaithful كتب:



      Scream
      you pray for "your" people in palistine, Iraq, and Bosnah???s
      I am not sure what the definition of "YOUR" people is... Do they have two heads, or Blue Blood??? What makes them so special to deserve life more than others???s


      just in case you dont know already
      There are Christian and Jewish Palistinians
      There are Christian and Jewish Iraqis.
      There are Orthodox Christian Bosnians

      So its OK for those to be killed ... ??s

      You dont have to explain, thats your opinion
      If being a racist is equavilant to being good to you .. then be it

      You may want to Include Hitler in your prayer ... i am sure you approve his mentality ..


      TO BE LIKE A HITLER.... Allah ysam7k ya Mrs.

      As i said. Our people as I said are the Msulims who are suffering around the world .. And my prayers will be first for Muslims before anyone else and i will never change that and let them all say that I am like a HItler..

    • Scream كتب:

      TO BE LIKE A HITLER.... Allah ysam7k ya Mrs.

      As i said. Our people as I said are the Msulims who are suffering around the world .. And my prayers will be first for Muslims before anyone else and i will never change that and let them all say that I am like a HItler..


      You felt happy for the death of 3,000 people on 9/11????s

      Do you feel happy for the murder of the russian school-children???s
      do you feel happy for the beheading of humans??s
      do you feel happy for the suicide bomings killing unarmed civilians???s
      do you feel happy for the 100s killed in darfour??s

      What kind of religion that makes murdering inoccent people a source of happiness??s
      You're saying it as though becasue you're a muslim you have to feel happy for the Crime that was done in the name of Islam on 9/11

      Are you proud that your great Islam is being equalized with murder, hatred, and blood-shedding???s
      Is this what your prophet taught you?? is this what he did... ????s

      he lived among Christians and Jews... Did he walk around murdering their inoccent .. and announcing his great happiness about that??? or how did he treat the non-muslims??s

      Who are the muslims originally at the prophet days?? arent they people who were once not only christians and jews, but IDOLISTS too???s
      Or did God specially create a special form of humans and named them Muslims???s

      My Dear .. Scream.. please dont take it offensively... but the fundimentalism that is taking over now is distracting the people from the true message of the faith of Islam

      Good and Evil can be in any form, color, race or nationality... maybe we ought to praise the good everywhere.. You never know whats in people's hearts for you... and you cannot label them negatively without even knowing them. I hope you Pray for mercy on all the people who were victims or violence and evil, without excluding anyone.

      As Anne Frank once said, while in the Death Camps of the Nazis, where she was killed
      "It’s a wonder I haven’t abandoned all my ideals, they seem so absurd and impractical. Yet I cling to them because I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart.


      We are just sharing veiws here, no hard feelings, its ok to disagree and have differnt views..

      And by the way, you're not "like a Hitler"... i was just giving a suggestion for you to include him in your prayer... since innocent victims do not deserve it.. maybe a racist dictator will!!!!i
      #e Just a suggestion !!!!!!!!!i

    • Scream كتب:

      Thanks Nawar for your comment. But, it is something insdie me that i can not say anu prayer for people who died in 11 September.. Honestly, I felt happy mostly when I knew that the Tower was hitted by the plan. I do also felt sorry about people who died that day but i couldn't say may allah bless their souls. It is just something that i can't change.. But honestly, have you ever tried to say may Allah bless the souls of all people who died in that day, or you just say it here. For me, i can't at all say Allah yr7mhm :confused:


      Dear Scream, of course it's up to you to pray for others or not, but honestly I would personally pray for all the INNOCENT people. I strongly support what Mrs Unfaithful has just said, there are christian palestinians and some of them are jew and if you pray for muslims only then do you also pray for bad muslims?? I dont think they deserve our prayers because they were bad.. we cant pray for every muslims though, but I would still pray for everyone personally.

      There are many people converting to Islam, not because it's a religion of terror but because they understood how peaceful religion is islam. There are people who converted to other religions from Islam because they always thought of Islam as a religion that seeks killing people. What do you personally think of Islam? Does Islam support killing of innocent people, ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Just to add to what Mrs Unfaithful said, that prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) explained it clearly not to attack anyone unless you are being attacked and in wars do NOT kill WOMEN OR CHILDREN. How could you feel happy for that? I honestly cant imagine myself being around people who hate each other, even if it was my own brother or sister.. because those who hate cannot love and/or understand the real meaning of LOVE

      I hate killing and I strongly believe that no one should choose is as an option to defend themselves unless in cases of wars or being attacked.. By the way, do you know why Islam was specifically sent to ARABS?? I will tell you, because at that time Arabs were known among the humanity being the cruelest people and lovers of killing, were they not killing the little baby girls?? They were written about them how bad they were, they were the worst group of human beings on earth and this is was taken from a history book in a chinese culture. They were called some name I cant recall it at this moment. Islam as a peaceful religion was sent to those savage arabs to kill that desire of killing others, to let them hold themselves when wanting to kill,to make them understand how to treat people well and be nice with others whether muslims or non-muslims.. Islam respects every religion and there is nothing mentioned in the qura'an about killing people.. instead it was clearly written in the holy Qura'an that it is forbidden to kill an innocent sould

      في سورة المائدة، أية 151: (... و لا تقتلوا النفس التي حرم الله إلا بالحق ذلكم وصاكم به لعلكم تعقلون)

      I believe in Karma, whatever you do to others will come back to you, what goes around comes around

      Cheers


    • By the way Scream, I dont have to pretend what is not me, especially on Internet, because it seems to me that these days a person can be him/herself more on Internet than anywhere else. Whatever I wrote, write or will be writing is always what I believe.. I'll never say what others want to hear or read because I dont care about people, as long as Im confident in what I believe.. so again Im answering your question I would pray for those innocent people because they did not attack me, nor harm me so why hating someone who hasn't done anything to me?? There is a saying by Mother Teresa: If you judge people, you dont have time to love them

    • Salam all

      Mrs. I totally agreed with u from the begining but I sort of found some controverseries in your words

      now that you have explained better, know that am with you with not against you as you might have thought.

      Nawar, as Mrs, unfaithful said you did cover most of the aspects of the issue pretty well... and thats exactly what I do think...

      I lived the tragedy with lots of my American friends and neighbours whilst I was in the states, and I knew well how they felt and thought about it, and with the faith that I have on God I knew I needed to pray for them regardless to their religion and soforht just as exactly as people belonging to my relegion would need..

      I think we got into some misunderstanding here, and before blaming it on anything else, I would blame it on my quick interpretation, then to some of the things you said Mrs unfaithful that I didn't like in the start.

      I appologise... and wish to get along with you guys more.... you are all just wonderful


      May Allah keep on his blessings on you all

    • endurance كتب:

      Salam all

      Mrs. I totally agreed with u from the begining but I sort of found some controverseries in your words

      now that you have explained better, know that am with you with not against you as you might have thought.

      Nawar, as Mrs, unfaithful said you did cover most of the aspects of the issue pretty well... and thats exactly what I do think...

      I lived the tragedy with lots of my American friends and neighbours whilst I was in the states, and I knew well how they felt and thought about it, and with the faith that I have on God I knew I needed to pray for them regardless to their religion and soforht just as exactly as people belonging to my relegion would need..

      I think we got into some misunderstanding here, and before blaming it on anything else, I would blame it on my quick interpretation, then to some of the things you said Mrs unfaithful that I didn't like in the start.

      I appologise... and wish to get along with you guys more.... you are all just wonderful


      May Allah keep on his blessings on you all



      Its ok.. endurance, no need to apologize for anything
      Apparently i dont know you as the others do.. so it wasnt the perfect way to be introduced to each other in an argumental way.. but i am glad that we finally do agree

      You know, i have taken a promise on myself not to talk about religion/politics ... i did finally break that promise.. and i guess its pretty obvious why i have taken this promise the first place.. hehe

      I hope though you mention what are the things that i said and you didnt like

    • I promised to shut up, but I cannot help seeing Scream being squeezed by NaWaR and Mrs. Unfaithful



      What kind of religion that makes murdering inoccent people a source of happiness
      You're saying it as though becasue you're a muslim you have to feel happy for the Crime that was done in the name of Islam on 9/11

      Are you proud that your great Islam is being equalized with murder, hatred, and blood-shedding




      I do not think we are talking about religion when talking about september, and I wonder who related Islam to murder, hetered and blood shed

      Who decided it was a crime? is it the media or some person like Mr. Sharon? Mr. Sharon accuses the palestinians as murderers, and the resistance to his occupation of their land is terrorism

      Oklahoma bombings was called something at first believing who carried it away was "with Mediterranean Looks" and all changed dramatically when it was discovered it was an American

      Have you ever asked yourself, why Muslims doing all that, look around you and I am sure you will find the answer

      I will go back to Scream, and I belive this question should be asked knowing that there are dead muslims and dead non-muslims, we say
      الله يرحمه
      and prophet Mohammed once said
      قتلانا في الجنة وقتلاكم في النار
      I wonder who will go to hell and to whom we say
      الى جهنم وبئس المصير

      We are not to decide, but we have our beliefs, just like others having their beliefs. we all have non-muslims friends, best friends, and we know we are different and have different beliefs, still it is not us to decide

      Scream wanted to be her self, as NaWaR suggested and wanted to be more of her self again and say something she believes in and she only expressing it here with asking anbody to judge or decide she is right or wrong

      Actually when I said I would shut up, I said it simply because Mrs. said it was " A gentle Reminder" and thought to myself, Oh I was reminded Mrs. Thanks very much, BUT YOU took the reminder beyond, far beyond what a gentle reminder can stand

      To end my comment, DO you think by killing some innocent people in the states, and let me say it again, I am personally against this act, and condemn it sriously, would push the americans and justify things to kill nations and thousands and thousands of innocent people every where...........WHO did not suffer of the world as a result? cannot be justifien in any case

      Thank you all
      10derness
      $

    • Tenderness,

      Actually when I said I would shut up, I said it simply because Mrs. said it was " A gentle Reminder" and thought to myself, Oh I was reminded Mrs. Thanks very much, BUT YOU took the reminder beyond, far beyond what a gentle reminder can stand


      My intention was to shut up there too. Whenever i mention a subject that may be interpreted in a religious or political way, i always clear myself and say ask for opinions without going in religioun and politics.
      I did just mention to endurance about my promise, and damn me, i broke it.

      But just a last comment (just to fulfil my last temptation.. please !!!)i

      I do not think we are talking about religion when talking about september, and I wonder who related Islam to murder, hetered and blood shed

      We started to, when Scream mentioned the thing about Muslims vs. non-muslims and who deserves prayers and such.

      Who related Islam to all that???!!! GEEH, i wonder who did???s :confused: i

      It is true that The American Media planted the stereo type of all muslims being terrorists, but whom you think is proving this stereo type to the world?? those are the ones who are a shame to be associated to islam, because from what i know its a great religion and it never advocates such acts

      As do muslims have a stereo type of all americans as "Britney Spears look-alikes, drug addicts, and morals free"..... and we know it is not true... but this is what the media does to people's minds

      Have you ever asked yourself, why Muslims doing all that, look around you and I am sure you will find the answer

      errr, the answer is that those people are seeking revenge from the injustice that was done upon upon them by performing injustice onto others. They fed Evil with Evil. and the circle is going on and on. Seeking revenge does give some sort of fulfilment, no doubt about that... but it just keeps firing back

      We cant ignore the inhumane acts that are being done in the world every second passes by... by filling our souls with hatred.. we are just supporting those inhumane acts.


      lol.. sorry.. Life is just so unfair and painful. But we have to live with it one way or another!!!!!i


    • I promised to shut up, but I cannot help seeing Scream being squeezed by NaWaR and Mrs. Unfaithful



      No squeezing insha'a Allah :D We are all here to share our believes without not to convince others that they are wrong, anyone can say what he/she believes in with having the supporting knowledge for that

      Yes we do not decide the destiney of anyone's soul after death, but it's that Im going to pray for every and each non-muslim person, I guess we made it clear that we are praying for innocent people who were killing in wars for no reason, whether theose non-muslims are in Iraq, Palestine or America

      And who related Islam to these attacks?? I dont know either $$t

      By the way, I once saw on TV a guy from one of the gulf countries, dont know which one exactly who attended the funeral of Ronald Regan.. Who was that person??i

    • U made all of this long list of responds

      u talk and argue
      For whom for what
      What u will change when u talk about something they have made it
      And they are the one who brought for them selves

      Who care what they say what they do they have missed one thousand ????
      So we have missed thousands of Muslims around the world every year
      Because of them
      No one of them care about it they by no attention
      They pretend the innocence
      I am sure that all of us see and hear about what is happening in ur world on our brothers and sisters everyday

      And u still talk and argue ??????????????????????????

    • ANGELS_EYES كتب:

      U made all of this long list of responds

      u talk and argue
      For whom for what
      What u will change when u talk about something they have made it
      And they are the one who brought for them selves

      Who care what they say what they do they have missed one thousand ????
      So we have missed thousands of Muslims around the world every year
      Because of them
      No one of them care about it they by no attention
      They pretend the innocence
      I am sure that all of us see and hear about what is happening in ur world on our brothers and sisters everyday

      And u still talk and argue ??????????????????????????


      take it easy boy.. we are just discussing :)