Please reply, i dont know if we should discuss it

    • Please reply, i dont know if we should discuss it


      Assalam 3alaikum dear everyone..

      I have recently been away for so long since I came back and there is alot to talk about from my side, especially with the things happening around me here that do not make any sense to me, or to be realistic, surprise me!!

      When I left Oman for just couple of years, things were still not that modern and I was pleased and amazed at what we have reached, yet we are still considered a bit behind comparing with other developing countries.. but what not hasn't changed is the way people treating each other in terms of rights and specifically human rights!

      Almost 5 years ago, I heard about the story of the Oman guy named Sa3eed and his passed away son Omar who died because of a fault done by the doctors.Just today when I got a chance to use the net for a bit longer, I came across the latest updates about the case. The man has been going back and forth for the past 8 years til he reached the association of human rights to comment about the case.

      For now Im after couple of things, firstly, I really couldn't imagine the strong will of this father in trying to get his son's file and investigate the case. Secondly, is it that bad in the way in how some departments went too far play God with people's life? Thirdly, I know that we discussed enough about medical faults, but what Im trying to say is if we are muslims should be trying to have the moral of being merciful, how come we are not when non muslims are much more merciful among their nations more than us?! Forthly and lastly, as much as Im happy to see the positive changes Im also feeling terribly sorry for the negative changes and I have no comment about whats being going on lately in this country..

      Few lines to think out loud!!

      Cheers

    • as much as Im happy to see the positive changes Im also feeling terribly sorry for the negative changes and I have no comment about whats ..............

      i do agree with you that lots of things changed to the better way and i do agree as well about poeple thinking will never changed


      thanks for opeining this excelant topic









      Whatever Happens, I Won't Let Go of Your Hand

      what a nice signature

    • honest كتب:

      as much as Im happy to see the positive changes Im also feeling terribly sorry for the negative changes and I have no comment about whats ..............

      i do agree with you that lots of things changed to the better way and i do agree as well about poeple thinking will never changed


      thanks for opeining this excelant topic









      Whatever Happens, I Won't Let Go of Your Hand

      what a nice signature


      Thanks honest for your comments, however just to name few of the long list of changes, positive and negative, is not going to change anything

      Trust me that the people became more educated about many things, but the problem when it comes to misusing, or misunderstanding, or miscommunicating..etc

      One of the things I have recently noticed is the Queue when you go and buy something goes horizantely instead of vertically :P

    • I like always to be the first in every thing, and it looks I am third this time
      Some serious topic usualy makes me come third, fourth or even far behind
      :)

      First of all let me say I feel sorry for the little boy and his family. I have read the story years ago and I appreciate the father's feelings and view
      Let us no talk away from emotions. Didn't we ask to be more open, cultured and modernized
      OK
      Medical mistakes do happen, happen every where, it could happen to me, to you, to every body
      But, as we all know and in such cases we complain to the hospital, and to doctors association. There is uaualy something called Medical Board, and it is the responsible party to look into such mistakes and punish the doctor if convected, and that is it
      If we to take the matter to different directions then we, ourselves break the laws and regulations
      I guess I am clear here


      When we move to live in some country, it takes us at least 3 to 4 years of fascination simply because we do not know the laws of that country and we are not really into the system there. It will take us longer to uncover things, and know and realize it was not that thing to be fascinated with. Every country and every nation has its own problems and agony
      We hate few things here in Oman, NO, not few things but many things. Go and ask any foreigner who has been here for some time........he/she would know nothing. Ask him few years later, I am sure you would hear different answers, he/she begins to uncover and discover things

      I have always believed that moderization is not to have new technology, not to have bluetooth and stuff, but to have more educated people. Let us have the same place to live in, say a flat, same shape and size, same furniture. One month later, your falt is clean and tidy, mine is dirty..........the flat, the construction stayed the same, but the core has changed, we have changed it

      Negatives and positive.........if some one goes for a mobile that costs 300 rials meanwhile his salary is 200, I wonder whether this to be considered a + or -, may be it depends on what angle we look into it

      A cue is always a cue, never changes, we do change it, vertical, horizontal and some times circular

      I have to stop here
      Thanks all
      :)

    • So you got the honor to be in one of them wonderful queues #e i

      I agree with Mr. Tenderness,,,,, very wisely put indeed

      and to add a few
      The "negative things" that you mentioned have been here for very long.... years and years... and i dont think that you have been away for decades.. Alll there is ( i believe) is that before you (or any of us who have studied abroad), before we leave we were much younger and alittle more naive to notice or even bother about whats going on
      Plus, being exposed to, or more acurately, being integrated with a different culture, unveils so many things about your own that may have been dismissed or taken forgranted


      Human rights as defined by the UN has NEVER had a place among us, its not that we had them and now we dont, we never actually did
      Human rights include.. freedom of speech.. freedon of expression... and the right to be compensated when something has been unrightfully taken from you.. like your life for example!!!i... This man who is thriving to get justice for the murder of his son.. is represeting all of the people who were in similar situation but chose to just "live with it" because there is no use and no hope in standing up for thier right
      A right they never had and never ever KNEW they should have

      And about how Modern Oman got, Puhleeeez NaWar, what exactly is modern? how modern did we get??? ... I would say Dubai is modern ... But how Oman is modern.. i have no idea
      Maybe you have more ideas on that :)i


      :)
      sometimes it pisses me off how much i love Oman, because that is the reason why it aggrevates me to see it this way... dull.. dead.. boring.. and simply just living like puppets in a huge endless dark puppet show
      puppets who cant even get in queue in a straight line #j i

      by the way
      What do you mean that there are things that surprise you? like what??s
      it would be very interesting if you told us

      and ... welcome back again and again and again!!!i

      :)

    • Salaaam alaikum
      Welcome back nawar
      Time passes and people do change>>>most of them do.
      And in every change they are positive and negative points.
      For example, we are enjoying the TV and Radio programmes which disscus a very hot seriouse cases in Oman. we are reading a very braves articles in the news papers writting about hot stuff ( not sex). where is this before?!!!!
      in the other hand, pople ( some) you even sometimes dont know if its HE OR SHE!!! .
      dont forget the movies which teach us how to loves, how to call our parents by thier names and how to tell them: this is not ur bizniz( business)
      and say bye or cheers instead of salaam!!!
      The most important now is, we have to know what is the right thing and we stick on that,advise our friends and families >
      salaam

    • عروبة كتب:

      Aslam Alaim
      if we want to be like western, we can't be. everyone are faceinated by thier development and respoerity but we must consider our nature as Arab.
      I mean we have our own behaviours that distinct us that give us the honour so why should fellow others.


      شكرا عروبة
      reading your words and ideas, one cannot but to agree and disagree with you at the same time
      Your few lines are taking us to a new dimension of our discussion started all by our dear eL3aJoOoZ_NaWaR

      I would love to see eL3aJoOoZ_NaWaR responding and be the first
      So come on eL3aJoOoZ_NaWaR and do not hide, we all need here, and look what you have done hiding, Mrs.Unfaithful and Scream have been absent for few days and I guess they are looking for you
      Come on and get the girls back with you

      Thanks عروبة
      and please do not go away, we have more and more to talk about

      :)

    • assalam 3leikum,
      you guys brought a good topic, but use it wisely and stop throwing waffles...Regarding the human rights, we do wal7amd lelah have this in Oman, although some freaks exist.. One of you mentioned that Oman has not changed to better and that you might believe it if you been told that Dubai has changed, well Oman changed very much, and you might notice how nice Oman is getting if you really compare with the year before..

      The simplist thing is the new roads and bridges we having, now nice they are and how good they are connecting different parts of Oman. i really liked the way they are built and am really looking forward to visit oman again and soon insha allah......and i am very sure that i will see new and good differences.

      Regarding the Q matter, we are to some extent controlled by the traditions and social rules. For example, if we are Q'ing and a lady turned up, she will diffenetly pass over and goes to the head of the Q. This happened to me many times, and ofcourse i can't open my mouth coz we are respecting the fact that women feel shy standing among men , likewise old men, we can't keep them waiting and Q'ing. I know there are people who don't respect others while they been waiting in a Q. This is all because Omanies and Arabs generally are not patient at all. We can see this in the motorways. Many people drive fast and overtake each other in a crazy and stupid way that lead to their death. Mnay car accidents occur because of such stupidity.

      We still have some backward minds and this include some educated people.

      Cheers. |a

    • Sure.. Oman has become more beautiful than ever... and it is certainally Developing structure wise... more buildings...more roads... shopping centers.. schools.. etc etc
      But why are we so proud of this as if it was a miracle? what is the job of the government if it didnt provide this for us?s

      people talk about these "developments" as if we have to be gratefull and thankful and fall on our knees because we developed!!!i
      no we dont... !!! we are an oil producing country with other billion-rials industries .... this is the least that the government could do for us!!!!i

      But the architecture of the country is not the point

      the point is that people are not changing. In fact, they are getting more and more close minded and sensitive toward anything different.. and the fundimantalism is spreading more and more

      Development.. and especially with a new intention of raising tourism in the country..has to mean more openness and flexibility with people... This is the part where i believe Oman is getting worse and worse...

      And that has nothing to do with "trying to be westerners", as Arouba mentions
      If that was the case, then we should live in tents and ride camels... because everything else is "western"i
      It would mean we should not use the internet and the phone and the cars .. cuz all are "western" .. none of them is made by an arab!!!i

      being open to change does not mean leaving our values and tradition behind

      and being close-minded toward anything new, does not mean that you are valuing your tradition

      Albarram82, so you say we have human rights in Oman? look at the word "human". Do you truley believe that every single Human in oman has the same rights as the other??s
      think about it deeply

      Back to the point
      Oman has definately changed... Nawar mentions how surprised she is about some of those changes.... (waiting for her to tell us more!)i

      I still remember my days in high school... and i see my sister in highschool now.. its is completely different... the pressures.. the restrictions... the huge weight that is put on thier young shoulders... the unfairness... the power of our youth is going to waste

      There are positive changes for sure... but there are as well negative changes

      The house may look beutiful and perfect from the outside.. but the termites are eating it up slowly from the inside ..... until one day this beautiful house will collapse






    • The simplist thing is the new roads and bridges we having, now nice they are and how good they are connecting different parts of Oman. i really liked the way they are built

      Many people drive fast and overtake each other in a crazy and stupid way that lead to their death. Mnay car accidents occur because of such stupidity

      We still have some backward minds and this include some educated people





      In fact I have read what our dear friend Albarram82 has said and I had a feeling the answer is coming soon from our dear sister Mrs.Unfaithful, and did not want to respond before her in any way
      She answered in a very clever and convincing manner, and I have as you see picked some of the what Albarram82 said so we all can read it again and again to see and ask him again, WHO is more important, the man or or the road, and whi is winning at the end





      if we are Q'ing and a lady turned up, she will diffenetly pass over and goes to the head of the Q
      we are respecting the fact that women feel shy standing among men


      If the woman and her liberation movements and her loud calls for freedom and equity with fellow men and and and, why cannot she just queue
      A queue after all is a modern way so we all have ours things done and I do not think I will wait all day till they are done
      Shy? No no no, do not be, we can do it all for you altogether
      Once she is out, heading for a queue, throw shyness behind your back


      :chewing1:

    • salam all.......

      Thanks for the reply i had from you, and that makes the forum active :)

      First, Mrs faithful, you said people should become more open minded, in what way??? and then you were mentioning about your sister in the highschool and the work she has now, dont you think that this means development in education??? Did you ever knew till couple years ago Oman had the weakest education system??? don't you think we are improving now???

      My brother Tend. i really did not get the point you are trying to make by quoting my words regarding the streets and accidents.... and i still dont understand why you quoted my words about women Qing system....... Hope you make it more clear.... Probably it seems to me that you thought am happy regarding the Q and Driving systems in Oman!!!!!!!

      Eventually, Mrs Unfaithful, you made me nearly compelety wrong about Human right in Oman, i really want you to tell me a country in world that you think it has human right...And please reply with quoting and examples, and hope from background experience...

      Thanks

    • Regarding the Q matter, we are to some extent controlled by the traditions and social rules. For example, if we are Q'ing and a lady turned up, she will diffenetly pass over and goes to the head of the Q. This happened to me many times, and ofcourse i can't open my mouth coz we are respecting the fact that women feel shy standing among men , likewise old men, we can't keep them waiting and Q'ing. I know there are people who don't respect others while they been waiting in a Q. This is all because Omanies and Arabs generally are not patient at all.


      I'll have to totally agree with what Mr. Tenderness said about that
      (by the way .. what up with the Bubble-gum those days?? #i )i

      Just because i am a woman or i am an elderly doesnt mean i can cut throu lines and be rude
      Just because i am impatient doesnt mean other ppl have to be disrespected because of that

      Just because i hate someone doesnt mean i can hit them and spit on them whenever i want.. now wouldnt it????s

      Those people are simply barbaric savages

      Next time a woman cut the line in front of you, open your mouth... and tell her to be a civilized person and stand like the rest


      First, Mrs faithful, you said people should become more open minded, in what way???
      open-minded = having the willingness for new ideas and news thoughts

      and then you were mentioning about your sister in the highschool and the work she has now, dont you think that this means development in education???

      lol.. my god.. Albarram.. please read again what i said about highschool

      and by the way, she is still in high school .. lol

      Did you ever knew till couple years ago Oman had the weakest education system??? don't you think we are improving now???
      oh.. and now we have the strongest education system??? lol
      no i dont think "we are improving now".. we are getting worse

      come on.... be realistic my freind

      Eventually, Mrs Unfaithful, you made me nearly compelety wrong about Human right in Oman, i really want you to tell me a country in world that you think it has human right...And please reply with quoting and examples, and hope from background experience...
      :)
      What exactly do you mean by human right???s
      just because i breath, eat&drink, and walk on the earth doesnt mean i have my full rights
      My cat has more rights than that for god's sake!!i

      i dont have "quoting" and "examples" .. but
      read this my friend
      Universal Declaration of Human Rights
      and tell me if all what is mentioned in there is being %100 practiced in Oman


      Oh and as for background experience,,,, believe me i had more rights as a foriegn resident .. than i have now as a citizen of my own country

    • Hi again,,,

      Frist just to clarify, i dint bring up the Q staff to say that it is right thing, i brought it as a negative and bad thing and i gave the sort of explanations that people would have...


      open-minded = having the willingness for new ideas and news thoughts

      Well, regarding this, you might be still in a world with close minded people and this is why might brought this topic... Believe me my sister, many omanies have achieved high goals and they are still doing so.... you just need to meet rather educated and open minded people..


      lol.. my god.. Albarram.. please read again what i said about highschool

      and by the way, she is still in high school .. lol



      Sorry sis, but you could have sticked the word open minded to your self and probably accept the idea that the negotiations are not done in amusing way, but rather "OPEN MINDED"...probably i missunderstood you point, but that might involve you to clarify and accept the negotiations not to laugh like un educated person!!!!

      I would really suggest for you sis to recheck the omani world with what you call it "OPEN MIND" and see what and how omanies are getting on with this life....

      Oman might be devellopping in a slow pace, but al7amd lelah we are to SOME EXTENT couping with it.

      If all people just say what you are saying and thinking of how you thinking, then we would diffenetly fail in improving.

      You might recheck on what you have achieved to keep your self as a producer and develloper rather than useless consumer.

      You might recheck on what you achieving to your society, family and friends rather than talking about the government achievements.

      All we really lack my sister is honesty. I will just give an example on how might think of honesty; what do you think about "was6ah" ??? dont you think we are helled up by the "WAS6AH" ??? Unfortunatelly, this is what making arab worlds backwarded....

      Hope am talking to real " open minded" and educated people rather than "street fighters" so please discuss matters in more open manner rather than stupid backwarded challenges. ~!@@ad

      Thanks all for commenting :)

    • Albarram82 كتب:

      salam all.......

      My brother Tend. i really did not get the point you are trying to make by quoting my words regarding the streets and accidents.... and i still dont understand why you quoted my words about women Qing system....... Hope you make it more clear.... Probably it seems to me that you thought am happy regarding the Q and Driving systems in Oman!!!!!!!

      Thanks


      Read what I have quoted and ead your topic once again and read my comments again and I am sure you will know what I have meant
      I could see contradictions in your post
      you concentrated on roads and ignoring the people to come and tell us how people die on the roads and i asked who is more important the people or the roads
      where shall we srart? with roads or people
      this is the point I guess Mrs.unfaithful and I trying to raise if I am not mistaken
      Thank you dear

      I learnt here, and still learning to read and how to read between the lines and try to conclude things and read the minds of those I am talking to

    • Albarram bro,
      i didnt mean to mock you when i "lol"ed
      Its just that it was a little funny that you replied on a total diffrent thing than what i meant

      before you reply my friend, read Carefully. And think about what you read before replying

      My freind, you are still concentrating on the beauty of the House, and ignoring the wicked termites that are wearing its foundation down

      You're talking to me as if i was attacking Oman and Omanis, or degrading them. Well guess what. I am one. And if i didnt care about my country and my people, and want the best of the best for them, i dont think I would give a damn about it

      Please do read what i have written again, and what tenderness have written, you somehow didnt actually get the point

      take it easy bro, its Ok to disagree... none of us is 100% right or 100% wrong
      its only different perspectives for the same thing!!i

      :) :) :) :)

      Here is a site that may be interesting
      The Desert Time
      The writter is an American woman who lives in Oman (and married to an Omani)

      :)

    • Dear all
      Just few comments to Tenderness as you said ((Let us no talk away from emotions. Didn't we ask to be more open, cultured and modernized. Medical mistakes do happen, happen every where, it could happen to me, to you, to every body But, as we all know and in such cases we complain to the hospital, and to doctors association. There is usually something called Medical Board, and it is the responsible party to look into such mistakes and punish the doctor if convected, and that is it If we to take the matter to different directions then we, ourselves break the laws and regulations
      I totally agree with you medical mistakes do happen and happen every where. You have mentioned the “MEDICAL BOARD” the man who his son passed away, he has gone through the proper channel and you know what was the answer (every one make mistakes). That’s the result of the MEDICAL BOARD. As in most cases, we have to be careful not to sit at one end of the fence or the other, but to hover somewhere near the middle (sometimes it’s ok to be a fence-sitter). People die needless and tragically because incompetent doctors made terrible mistakes. Unfortunately, it's not a rare occurrence. Some of the case we hear about them and some of them are obscured
      Most people do not know someone who has died from a medical accident, either because they do not know anyone who has died under such circumstances or they lack sufficient information to realize that one of their friends had in fact died from poor medical care. Thus, most people do not see the downside of medical care. But they do see the upside. Just about everybody has gone to a doctor and gotten better
      My last world to all of my friends be careful when you visit the doctor make sure he is competent by asking about his repetition. Also if you did not get better after you visit him go to another doctor but never stuck with one only who will use your body as experimental. God bless all of us

    • Thank you dear YSK_lol
      I inderstand your point, and allow me to use Mrs.Unfaithul's words

      its Ok to disagree... none of us is 100% right or 100% wrong
      its only different perspectives for the same thing!!i

      One problem we all or most of us have is, if I do not like the verdict, or the decision does not come my way then I would accuse all and every thing of unfairness and biased and all that

      I hope we all get our rights and our duties and obligations in such a way that pleases all parties by sticking more to the laws and regulations we all reside under

      Thjanks again