Very important topic


Your topic is very important , let me comment first about the ambulance issue ,

The service of ambulance in Oman is really very pooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooor
Coz ambulance does not come for poor people , there is no problem at all if he/she die
Omani hospitals use the ambulance to carry died people rather than carrying sick people ,


I believe that people in health ministry are doing their best , but we still suffering from inexperienced doctors , who deal with sick person as an experimental mouse ,


I will back again & sorry for posting this replay in hurry

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this is one example


THE STORY AS THE FATHER OF THE VICTIM MENTION IT IN HIS SITE

This goes back to November 1994 .In this month I was granted a baby boy and just few days after symptoms of the disease appeared on the baby. We thought that the illness was just a common symptom of childhood and our thought didn’t go farther. Ofcourse we took him on 13/11/1994 to Sultan Qaboos Hospital in Salalah, Pediatric Department.Doctors gave him some medicine and the visits took place afterthen repeatedly on:

1-28/12/1994

2-29/12/1994

3-13/2/1995

4-29/3/1995

5-28/6/1995

6-18/71995

7-4/8/1995

8-10/9/1995

9-17/10/1995

10-13/11/1995

These dates were some of others I have forgotten and no improvement during all these visits worth to be mentioned. The worst was the continuation of the treatment in the Pediatric Department with no change and the checkings didn’t go beyond the visible tests .So, as there was nothing in our hand to do at this point. We accepted God decree and Doctors recommendations in the department. These were the shelter we have hold and hanged our hopes on them .We didn’t realize that the road we were following behind the Doctors was leading us to where we never wished. More than that was the tests they did and the medicine they gave. All that happened on the base of presumption which have no place in the reality of a proper scientific checking, and effective prescription for the treatment after defining the illness which denies unknowing. As will as leaning to the base of graduation for setting presumption and checking on the light of that base, dropping presumptions one after another to approach the disease. But Doctors talent in this department seemed stopped at this point circling around the point they had start from. And ofcourse the disease aggravated and spreaded during this period which we spent on going and coming .On the dates 3/11/1995 and 1/12/1995, we faced the worst we have ever never seen in our lifetime as we were watching our son changing to skeleton without knowing why. And no action from those we seeked their help. On 28/12/1995 the matter reached its peak and the baby sloped fastly into inevitable danger, at that time I asked them to refer my son to Qaboos University Hospital .I wish they had done it on earlier time, but it was the judgement, the disease had been discovered and appeared obvious without leaving any chance for a doubt that the Doctors in Qaboos Hospital were in a valley and the disease was in another valley .All what ever done in the Pediatric Department in Salalah has no relation with the origin of the disease .I realized after telling me the fact, that the treatment seemed difficult if not impossible. But I hold the last hope and took my son to Towam Hospital in UAE appealing a gleam of hope but the boy was falling to the worst .At this point the weigh was full and on its peak. My son died because the disease aggravated as a sequence of carelessness and a lack of enough procedures by the Doctors in the Pediatric Department in Qaboos Hospital. With total content that doubt never penetrate from any door to it, great carelessness was within the job in the pediatric department .I preferred to be alone with myself for sometime in order to avoid any move under affection without reality I will not leave this matter pass without punishing those who were beyond it whatever it cost me. So I gathered my papers which were organized in a letter filled with ordeal of a family which have drank cups of sadness as much as the number of the goings to the pediatric department in Qaboos Hospital.We have been watching the shriveling of our son in a slow and hard travel until he died. And in order to know the fact and the hiding hands that played without telling what had been awaiting me from them, I decided to put the matter in front of the concerned departments .I didn’t spare effort and submitted my first letter to the director of health services in Salalah complaining and seeking, but I waited for nothing along four months. Many weak reasons and apologies were flown without finding what can water our thirst, at least to refuse for not having reason .So; the first door I knocked closed on my face. I didn’t think they were going to be like their precedes .The hope still there and I didn’t hesitate for a moment and I conveyed my case to the Director General of Health Affairs in the Ministry in a letter contained the details of my tragedy as a result of carelessness of those under their orders and again I found myself in a circle of going and coming until I lost my ability .I was almost withdrawing from the struggle of knowing the truth and punishing the careless persons but the power of the motive and the clear evidence pushed me to the door of the Undersecretary of Health Affairs .I submitted my papers to him with hope to find the final word of judgment .

Tens of times I tried all communicating means but with no use. Like that my hopes were scattered and failed to find anything .The answer was always complete silence ,weak reasons .Slowly and slowly I have become certain that I was ploughing in the sea .Again all the doors were locked .I thought I would find an answer for what was inside me .I summarized my agony of three years in another trial in a letter given to Oman Royal Police in Salalah .I found with them in the beginning a complete care and promised to follow those who would be confirmed that they were beyond what was said in the letter.After two years I found myself standing on the same point I started from in November 1994.At the end of this long journey which I briefed as much as possible to say I have a right ,I am still shouting:Is there any helper? Help

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Not only you my dear, I lost few members in my family who were treated by the "socalled" doctors. I know how you feel when you believe there was a hope for them to live but then we can't say there could live longer, it was their time. Whether it was meant to be in a hospital or on their bed..

Going back to the facilities of the hospitals, i dont think they are really bad.. just for your information that Oman was in some year i can't remember, awarded as being in the first of the top 3 cleanest hospitals in the world. So talking about cleanliness, no doubt about it, dear, i have seen even worse that oman's hospitals and alhamdulillah that we really have clean hospitals, and you know what? the hospitals that i have seen dirty were in one of the most advanced countries, you will never imagine..

The problem of doctors experimenting on patients, do you think it's in Oman only? I know that some private hospitals are doing worse, they will not do their best to save a life, because that would cost them a lot of money. By the way, Im defending the public hospitals, but im trying to point out to you that the first mistake we do is generalise. my relative passed away after years of being at the royal hospital with no improvement in his health state but we could do nothing. in fact, we also were part of the problem, as we were somehow careless... we didn't know that it would get that serious, so we somehow caused the reason of his death..

I want to be fair and realistic, sometimes we dont notice our faults until after a long time, or when it is too late. I dont want to blame the hospitals or doctors only without thinking of the posibility that we are also blamed.. the hospital has nothing to do with the result, it's the doctor that we should focus on.. talking about experiments, if you do a mistake dont you learn from it? in most cases people learn from their mistakes, so it does apply on the doctors. I dont ever think that there is a doctor out there who wants to kill anybody, but I would accept the fact that there should be some investigation by the hospital administrators and the ministry of health detectives to check on the causes and that the doctor him/herself should admit if there was a mistake. I prefer that they admit their mistake rather than trying to cover it up..

Now the ambulance thing, I think there should be some changes in the way they are using it, it should not only be used to carry dead body, I think a dying person is more important that a dead one, because there is a hope to save the dying person.. a dead one, is already dead.. There should be some registration for everyone, and family members like a small fee to be paid to be able to use the ambulance for emegencies, at least that's what i think is the best solution from what i have seen in one of the countries. and those who dont have access to using it, can pay later on, but an ambulance should be there for any EMERGENCY cases not only for carrying DEAD BODIES. I totally disagree with the way the ambulance is used in Oman. I remember once we were on a trip with friends and one of them had a shock of some kind.. anyway, we called up the ambulance and they first tried to treat her on the spot by checking her blood pressure and heart beets' speed ..etc and then she was fine, if she was getting worse then the ambulance would have taken her to the hospital.. so sometimes there is no need to get the ambulance to go to hospitals..

so far that's what i have, i will be back later..

cheers

First of all, i would like to say that am really sorry for your losses dear sister with my
deepest condolences

i am not even going to start defending the Health system in oman nor even state
how bad or how good it is. You would obviously seem to know a lot more about it than i
do. i just wanted to drop by and state one simple fact, a fact that many of us would find
hard to believe. This fact clearly states that our hospitals regardless of how bad we think
they are, are much better than those at other developed countries. I'll give you an example of public hospitals in the United Kingdom which is at the top list of developed countries and yet, if you go to a public hospital with a very minor injury you would actually have to wait for at least 5 hours before getting treatment! This is not an exaggeration but a true fact

Now, surely there are many points of flow in our health system and by no means can anyone deny that. All what i can say is that hopefully, a day will come when such flows will be reduced to minimum

dear mrs unfaithful,
I understand your frustration, but let me tell you something, how do you expect a doctor to become a doctor?
first of all, those doctors are not really doctors until they specialise in some area in medicine. Final years students Im sure have some practical session in hospitals and they are surpervised. I know what happened to you, to me, and many others perhaps was caused by doctors, but it was meant to happen that way.

Experience is a good teacher. You will not become a good teacher for example if you don't teach at school as practical sessions mrs unfaithful, right? The only different that those are doctors and those are teachers. They work the same way, final year students in education school go for practical sessions and then they have to have work experience for few years by teaching those poor students who are suffering from new teachers who have no experience at all. Why are we complaining about doctors, when teachers do the same thing? Of course because doctors hold lives, but teachers hold lives forever mrs unfaithful. A doctor can change a situation in few minutes, but a teacher can change a lot in a person.

Im not defending doctors here, I hate them myself. But Im being fair here. Equipment are important to reduce disasters and they help doctors a lot in doing their work, for example, xrays, blood tests.. etc. How many people were killed in hospitals and how many people were cured, just compare and get me the result of the calculation..

Another thing is some doctors are careless, I totally agree with that. But to understand more, we have to know why they are careless, maybe they had a busy long day, although I know you will say that's his job as a doctor. But remember that the doctors are taking a lot of pressure. Ask any omani student who is studying medicine!

All hospitals in any country have the same problem, which is not really a problem. There are doctors who are experienced and there are others who are not. Think about this, how an experienced doctor because a experienced? Do you think those don't do any mistakes. Of course they do, that's why they become even better when they are exposed to failure.. Every single person in this world starts off from ZERO. We can't keep on blaming them, we should have more faith I guess!!

Cheers

Dear Mrs Unfaithful,
Even experts do mistakes Im not saying to underestimate those mistakes, never, we are talking about people's lives. But I did mention that there are doctors who are careless and they need to take the responsibility of their mistakes.

Im not saying they are simply mistakes, but once it happened, can you bring that person back? My point is, they are still mistakes and people learn from them. But again I will ask, how a good doctor becomes good? medicine is not theory only you know that. Plus, how we people came to know so much about medicine anyway? isn't from the practices on human being? Let's be realistic! How did you know the parts of the heart if we didnt see an actual heart. Of course we use animals parts to learn. But not everyone on animals tested is the same thing when you test it on human being. It is highly risky, i agree, but at some point we need to take risks and make hard decisions. elbagi 3ala Allah.

I was treated long time ago by a doctor and it was the specialist but he couldnt cure me, in fact he didnt know until today what was wrong with me. He kept on giving me lots of medicines and I ended up being sick for months, losing 10 KGs, depression, refused food and locked up myself! I knew I was going to die. Then I just stopped taking those medicines, Im fine now!

But I told the doctor that those medicines did not work and he kept on changing them, giving me stronger and stronger pills. I understood his efforts trying to know what was wrong with me, it was too complicated. I guess Im the only one who really knew what was wrong but I thought that maybe Im wrong and the doctor is right!

Again, no one would like to make a mistake or kill someone on purpose, I can see that you are pointing out to a bunch of careless doctors, those should be inspected and monitored from time to time I think.

What I meant by teachers and doctors, they go through the same process. The only difference here is that doctors are dealing with much more complicated situations (human beings' lives). The bottom line is, they both learn theories, they need to practice them. They become better, when they practice more. Some people are just talented and are able to do things right from day 1. But not everyone is so. Teachers become better by avoiding poor strategies and/or mistakes. The same thing applies on doctors.

We can see how bad it is to a doctor making a mistake, but we can't see for example how bad is the mistake of a teacher. We can't see how bad it is for a car manufacturer to put the cars' parts incorrectly together which causes accidents later without the driver knows that. We can't see how bad the mistake of a father when he beats up his kids to make them straight, we can't see how bad the mistake of a Judge when he gives the wrong court order to an innocent person.

If that's the case, then this doctor should not be a doctor, this teacher should not be a teacher, that car manufacturer should be one, that father doesnt deserve to be a father, and a Judge shouldn't have been a Judge from the first place!!!

If we eliminate every one of those people from their position, then they wont exist. Because human being are meant to do mistakes.. kellena 5a6a2een..

Cheers