Omanization

    • Thank you dear bright day for the very important topic
      I hope we have a very serious and intensive discussion from all

      Yes, Omanisation reduces unemployment, but what unemployment? I hope we do not end with a masked or disgiused unemployment

      No, I'm not happy or convinced with the way Omanisation process is being done

      I will stop here and I'm coming again and again

      Please, wake up dear brothers and sisters and let us talk

      Thank you all, and thank you bright day


      Brother
      10derness

    • guys what our government is doing so funny. We have a high unemployment percentage and they are talking about employing 1000 people every year (that’s their target). They came up with Sanad, Intilaqa and other themes hoping it will help reducing the unemployment. In the meantime, you see the government (which is suppose to be a member of WTO (world trade organization) putting all obstacles to the entry of big investments and big organizations which are capable of employing big numbers of Omanis. The most obvious example is Omantel and the huge problems they made for any entry of new organizations. I know so many similar situations. If you want to know how scary the situation it is just do this simple calculation. Every year more that 40,000 High Secondry School graduates and start heading to the workforce. Lets say out of the 40 thousands, 7000 only get employed or Masked employed in the university and other colleges. The remaining 33000 will be on the road playing football and flirting with girls and boys. Now multiply that number only by 5 years, the total will be something like 165000. Now think is there a place for your grandsons to work or live with this big amount of employment…
      And the government is still denying and covering up this problem…


      See yeh

    • Bright day, Thanks for highlighting this issue and I would like support tenderness & the ghost ides

      It is good intuitive that the government start Omanization to get a jobs for Omanis. Nonetheless it is depends on the way on how it has been implemented. First of all, Omanization start with lower jobs and most of these jobs are required lower qualification even lower than Secondary school. But the privet sector asks for higher qualification such as Ordinary Diploma and that’s to avoid Omanization. There is a companies who employee Omani who graduate from technical college as helper for technical job without training plan.Secondly most of the companies ask for technician & engineers with degree and experience at least five years. Just imagine a new university or collage graduate what type of experience he has. Finally, there is no follow up of Omanization in the privet sector to find out what types of jobs has been given to those Omani and is there any training in place for them. An example there is a company has employed around 18 Omanies who graduated from technical collage as technicians that what is written in the agreement between the company & the staff. When these staff start the job, they start as helper and in the same time driver, so they doing two jobs in same time. After that they ask the company about this situation and they have been told that there will be training for them but nothing has been done. They informed the company if it is not going to change their job as per the agreement or to give them training, they will complain to the ministry of manpower. The company said we have no problem you can go any time ….poor staff

      It is required from the government the following

      Ask all privet sectors to submit a list of the jobs that required to be filled with Omani. Then the government will decide what sort of qualification is required and what type of training is required to bring up this Omani in these jobs. After employing the Omani the government has to carry out site visit to see is that Omani carry out the job which has been assigned to do it as per the agreements and also to make sure that sector follows the training plane. The salary has to be evaluated for each job. If the above steps are follows then you’ll find lots of Omani will be employed and they will be happy. Also they will take higher position in short period because there is training to reach that level

      Finally take care

      Regards

      YSK_LOL

    • I am glad to see how the ghost, YSK
      من ابرز الشخصيات
      and ftoom are tackling the issue

      All have shed light on different sides of the problem, if I may call it so, and ftoom tried without elaborating enough, going into the other positive solution of the problem

      That is, the issue is not entirely a goverment issue, self motivation is another approach, and I have seen so many examples, successful examples of self motivation though the majority of these examples are from government employers, i.e. already working

      If we to wait for the governemet to employ us, then I think we are just wasting our time, not because the government is not doing its part but simply because it is not its sole task

      Thank you all and let us hear more

      10derness

    • Hi everybody,

      I didnt want to start contributing to this topic until I'm satisfied enough with the amount I have given in the marketing topic.

      The issue of Omanisation depends on strategic planning. If the plan is to employ 1000 omanis every year then where are the statistics that shows that?!! Are they sticking to this plan only or there are alternatives and other plans to be undertaken?

      There are two sides of the issue, one from the government/private sector and the other one from the person him/herself. Oman lack a lot of things for the youth. Probably everyone think that it is a commonsense to study and then work after that. Well, yeah that's true but does it have to be that way every time? I think those who are still studying should put more effort to build their future since they know it is difficult to get a job. That is, try to get work experience while you are studying. I strongly recommend this for the young student. There has to be more than your degree or diploma qualification, what about self development courses?? Do you people expect that companies want employees for their qualifications only? Of course not, they employing a talented person with the right qualification.

      The flip side of the issue is that the Gov/Priv sector does not cooperate enough in this matter. I hate the attitude of those managers or employers when they say to the newly employee that "you can always leave anytime" that employer or manager may not know that he or she about to lose someone who can be one day a successful employee and that will bring good reputation to the company or department. Probably because they do not trust enough the omanis.

      It is so irritating what they are doing, because they keep on saying yeah we will support the new project and blah blah blah and then you see them doing the opposite thing which not supporting at all. Tell you what people, if you omanis need to get work, then it's better you look for it outside of Oman, there are just too many jobs that give good pay and you wont have to worry about anything. The only you will be worrying about is being abroad and feeling homesick!!!

      Look at the egyptians, they travel overseas to earn more money, they leave the country because they can't earn enough or can't get a job. What makes us so different, to h*** with those companies if they dont need us, there are always other places need employees. Just surf the net and you will find millions of them..

      Cheers

    • Izzayak ya Ajoooooz

      Lol, thank you dear, all you mentioned is correct and applies. I will onyl stress on a fact you mentioned


      they do not trust enough the omanis


      WHY? Is it their fault or our fault

      Have we proved to be positive and hard working boys and girls

      Let us hear more dear brothers and sisters

      I remember writing long responses to a similar topic here some time ago, I will go back to it and add it here inshallah


      10derness

    • Hi tenderness,
      I think we both somehow contributed to the problem that is we are being lazy bums and the emplyees cant trust us and not even give a blind try to make sure that the omani employee is not trustable..

      I think those who are really hard working are not seen until the dya comes when they have to show themselves with their qualifications, experiences and many other things that can guarantee them a job..

      Instead we need to think, if we were the ones who caused this, why dont we try and change it? Let's change the image they have in their minds, show them how knowledgable you are as you are doing here.. show them what you know, by the way, one of the most important thing is having a really good resume/CV as this emphesis on the skills required for a certain position. and a tip to you all, do not use the same resume/CV for all jobs you are applying, this is a very common mistake.

      Thanks tenderness for the URL of the topic that is similar to this one..

      Cheers

    • Thank you dear eL3aJoOoZ_NaWaR

      I guess you have opened a new dimension for our discussion by saying

      [B]Why dont we try and change it? Let's change the image they have in their minds, show them how knowledgable you are as you are doing here.. show them what you know


      let us discuss how can we achieve this

      Come on every body
      Let us talk, it is us talking and it is us the concerned

      Thanks eLajoooz

      10derness      [/B]

    • Thank you dear qaisari and pleasure to have you here with us

      I do not know, I totally agree with you that Omanization process is being done in the wrong way, but I may disagree with you if we are talking about the public sector only

      What you have mentioned apply mainly in the private sector

      Anyway, let us open or rather put this question
      Do you think omanisation is being RIGHT? WRONG......WHY

      Thank you dear and welcome home


      10derness

    • Hi tenderness,
      I will start commenting upwards for some reasons, to answer your last question I don't think omanisation is wrong, it is right as it helps people to get jobs, and gives opportunities to use the local efforts instead of the overseas employees.

      I somehow may not agree to make it totally controlled by omanis because we will be working with ourselves (seems to me) so we will still have to have people from overseas to work with/for us. So yeah it is true that we can't totally take control of the jobs.. We need new ideas, new technologies from ourside, we need creativity, people may need us on the other side. It's a relation of giving and receiving.

      Qaisari, even if we as omani employees were placed in a difficult situation, can't we handle it? can't we go through it? I mean that's the way you learn things, we go through hard time and it utilizes our skills a lot.. you can't expect us to be happy at work and feel so comfortable with an easy job. Nop, i don't find it challenging at all and sooner or later it will be a boring job..

      I do like challenging and I don't mind if I was placed by my employee in a difficult situation because I'm the one who is benefitting at the end not my employer :) At least that's the way I think about your point..

      Not believing them I think is a problem, but if you have all the evidence tht proves you right then what make them not believe you, to complain about something is not just running to your boss and tell him/her what happened, there must be some documents, witnesses or some these kind of evidence to support you when complaining.

      going back to the questions:
      "Why dont we try and change it? Let's change the image they have in their minds, show them how knowledgable you are as you are doing here.. show them what you know"

      Exactly, I mean why do we keep on blaming others, we should also take the responsibility of being part of the problem and we should admit that.. I think we should not just discuss it here only, we should think out loud so that w can be heard.. of course no political site will support this idea, but there is always a way out of any problem.. we need to let them know what qualification we have,,,mmmm ok anyone can have that, BUT does anyone have the skills? I rarely see that.. I understand that you may say it's just the beginning and you are still new to the job, ok I agree but then you also need to show them that you can learn quickly and thus help them improve. they don't want an extra employee to just increase the number of employees, they wish to get rid of us but instead they want someone who can make a difference.. not just sit there and do nothing! I mean here that doing the normal job is nothing, doing what is different and USEFUL is the something!!

      will be back later.. Cheers

    • Thank you eLAjooz
      First of all I hope things are not discussed only here, we all need to discuss it out there in the open, with friends, relatives and all around

      I have never said that omanisation is wrong, but rather it has been conducted in a wrong way , or not being done entirely in the right way and approach

      One expats is there, say for five years, originally with some good experience, and out of a sudden being fired, and an omani comes in to take his place...this is how it is being done in most and not all. The poor omani will definately fail to rise to the occasion, he would admit it, but they, the omanisation big heads would appear on TV and start talking about omanisation numbers and percentages acheived

      Some times, they leave the omani to get some trianig given to him by the expats......tell me for goodness sake who is gonna train others knowing he is fired soon!!!!!

      I think they, and I wonder who are they, should give the expats some kind of security and follow up to assure he/she leaves some good oman behind

      I do not want to be hard on all, I know as much as you do we have great examples of them "they" out there

      One more thing, who is going to work hard when all are classified and ranked a like.....those who work hard to gain skills and knowledge, and those who do not, are all in the same basket.....why should I work? I know it is not logical thinking but I am afriad it is the dominant one

      Let me have a break elAjooooz and all

      10derness

    • Tenderness i didn't expect you to think negatively in that way.. especially in your last block.

      If those experts are not being honest in training the omanis, then it's something to do with the inner self and we can't do anything about it, but I think because they are being FIRED and not leave work happily they may want to take revenge, but as to show appreciation of the country that employed them, they should pay the country back by training those new employees and I dont see any harm in that and if they dont do that then it means they have hatred in their heart towards the country and i also dont think there is point to hate anyone!!

      commenting on your last block, you are making those who are skilled and those who are not "equal" and I dont agree with that.. you know why? because those who are skilled will be successful in NO TIME and those who are not will take forever, why? because they are not skilled enough.. of course im not talking about the big boss vitamine "W" and that's a totally different story, but for me, not matter what, if you have the skills, if you network with people, if you have good reputation then it's not hard to find a job.. it really depends on each individual's situation.. i think! how bad they need that job, and do they just want any job or something related to their knowledge..

      so do not make them equal.. im sorry to tell you that for example, if im skilled then im not the same as the other one who is not.. im learning not for my job only, im learning for myself, for the sake of Allah.. el3elm noor, and the best people are those who aquire more kowledge and pass it to others.. I improve my skills for example because since I was young, I was thinking globally, to work in any country basically, so I needed those skills for international purposes.. maybe i wont ever work outside of Oman, but then it's me. and this may help in future anyway.. you never know what would happen in future.. just be ready for everything :)

      til next time

      cheers

    • Ahlan eLajoooz

      Thank you dear, I have never meant to be negative, and to be or thing negatively is one thing, but to see and witness negatives things is another

      Sorry to say it, but have seen it, recently
      I know the expatriates shoud pay the country back.......etc, and I would say it again "they should", but who does it? If we go to yesterday's "THEY", I believe the bosses should make sure that the Omani gets all the knowledge from the expats over the years and time he/she spends with him/her

      Sure, skilled and non skileed are far far different, no one can deny that, but I meant them at work and not applying for a job. Two people with the same qualifications, do the same job, at the same place.......one works hard, the other sleeps well......result: both promoted together, courses are on turn basis...............etc

      I wish I could be positive all the time, but what can we do, when things around us are
      negative

      I know the discussion is not over and would take ages but I am pleased to exchange views and hear and listen.......and learn

      Thank you all, and eLajooooz do us a favour, wake them sleepy people up and ask them to come, we are eager to hear them


      10derness

    • Sorry tenderness, i didn't mean to say you are negative in all of what you said, it was just the last block in that reply.. :)

      But for the sake of what you are saying, I understand what you mean from the experience you had and unfortunately it was a bad one. I would simply call those people dishonest and have to fear of Allah if they are muslims and if they are not then they are just sick people with sick heart. They have to ability to dedicate anything of their knowledge and being so selfish.. they don't understand the meaning of charity.

      I still do not agree with you about non/skilled employees, because you see the skills when the job is done!! you will see the difference obviously, one would do the same task but in a different and creative way. that what is a skill about! If one works hard and the other one sleeps, then the one who sleeps will sleep in the same position forever.. the other one should keep on working hard and try to make him/herself noticed to the BOSS. because he is the one is giving out rewards or promotions.. I dont think lazy people are promoted and I think it really depends on the nature of the job itself.. some jobs dont require anything.. like a a guard, but tell you what, even guards need to be skilled and professional. I mean in counties other than Oman they are professional and skilled for the purpose of the job..

      Hey, being positive doesnt cost a penny, so why you are wishing to be positive all the time? I agree with my friend who told me once that we need positiveness and negativeness in any analysis to balance this world but doesn't mean we have to be negative or positive all the time.. you can use the negative thinking when analysing anything and take those issues into account, but you need to have a positive behavior to be able to think and find a solution to come over the negative issues. we need balance.. I remember once I read a journal article from the Journal of Leadership (a famous one, search in google).. and the author of the paper was arguing about people who act according to what they think..

      If we think we can do something, then we can really do it.. if we think we can't then we will never be able to do it.. it shows how the way of thinking has a substansial amount of impact on your behavior.. so try to be positive, dont think you can't be positive because it stops you from being so. Start thinking positively and that you can change things, by patience, efforts and time,... it's all at the end in the hands of Allah, if he wishes things to happen, then they will happen no matter what!!

      One last thing, if people want have anything to contribute then they will.. otherwise they can just read what we are writing.. i don't think we are mga9reen in the way we are discussing the topic, so far we are doing a good job.. and of course we welcome anyone.. but i can't get an alarm clock to place it near their ears to hear that it's time to give us attention :P

      til next time.. Cheers

    • Thank you Nawar
      Easy this Nawar, elaJoOoz is giving me a headache, spelling it and reminding me of , of of the future :P #i

      Thank you missy


      Well Nawar, it is afact that when we, or when it is desired to show the positive side of something, or when it is wanted to make things positive is......to talk and tackle the negative aspects of the problem......I am sure you got me

      To keep talking about positive things is the way to damage every thing, we are all in the same situation and we should talk about both negative and positive things

      Well, sorry if I confined my remarks to cover government or public sector employers, and taking them in mind......have a look at the civil service reulations about promoting.......No incentives, all are in the same basket.....sorry

      I'm sure it is different in the private sector, those who sleep have no place at all, and this is sadly why we, us, like to work for the government, and why the private sector does not like and recognize us as a succssesful work force

      I hope Omanisation is not merely understood as replacing expatriates by Omanis.....replacing is the start, but we need to make things moving, effectively

      Yes missy, I am sure we gonna make it one day, I know we are on the move, I know we are better off, much beeter than many many others

      I wish all the best for us all

      Thank you all


      10derness

    • LoL Tenderness.. sorry i dont accept that.. i dont mind if you shorten my nick name, but it has to be eL3aJoOoZ NaWaR and not only nawar.. :P that's not me..

      I agree with you that we should talk about positive and negative things, but i dont agree with you when you said that talking about positive things will damage everything, because sometimes it is the reason to keep up motivated and eager to keep on doing what we are doing now.. there is no harm in talk about positive things at all.. the damage comes from not realising the opposite side too.. and ignore it..

      of course i wont deny what's happening now.. but i get it from you guys because I dont really know what's going on there at the moment.. so you are better than me in this matter..

      I think we just need to be heard somehow..

      cheers

    • i have a questions for intellejent people


      العجوز نوار انا في الحقيقة معجب باسلوبك في مناقشة عملية التعمين بس اتمنى منك الردوالسريع على الاسئلة اللي طرحتها وعاد احنا ننتظر ردك يا عجوز الساحة


      Come on intellegent people, answer Mr. sarsar
      I am not myself $$-e i

      I wonder what we have been saying for months to see you coming and put these questions? I believe you did not even read what we all have written, and this too bad


      I am not entitled to speak on others behalf but I will be very surpeised to see
      العجوز نوار
      answering you

      I do apologize if i did write something that is not my business but like any body here I like to see people adding to this forum and benefit us all and learn from us all, and to learn from us all, one should read what we all write

      This is a discussion room, put this in mind
      :(

    • sarsar كتب:

      العجوز نوار انا في الحقيقة معجب باسلوبك في مناقشة عملية التعمين بس اتمنى منك الردوالسريع على الاسئلة اللي طرحتها وعاد احنا ننتظر ردك يا عجوز الساحة


      Thanks Sarsar, for the compliment.. regarding your questions, I believe that answers would vary according to own experiences as well as facts that we do need to consider.. advantages and disadvantages differ according to the people, society and culture which goes down to the same thing in relation to community

      However, you will need constructive comments from the members regarding this matter because we all outlined many things from different view. Please, do go back to the first post to catch up with what you've missed and insha'a Allah you will find almost all the answers of your questions. If you still could not find the answer of any of your questions, please do come back and we will be happy to look at the things that we haven't covered

      Will be waiting for your reply

      eL3aJoOoZ_NaWaR

    • Tenderness كتب:

      i have a questions for intellejent people


      العجوز نوار انا في الحقيقة معجب باسلوبك في مناقشة عملية التعمين بس اتمنى منك الردوالسريع على الاسئلة اللي طرحتها وعاد احنا ننتظر ردك يا عجوز الساحة


      Come on intellegent people, answer Mr. sarsar
      I am not myself $$-e i

      I wonder what we have been saying for months to see you coming and put these questions? I believe you did not even read what we all have written, and this too bad


      I am not entitled to speak on others behalf but I will be very surpeised to see
      العجوز نوار
      answering you

      I do apologize if i did write something that is not my business but like any body here I like to see people adding to this forum and benefit us all and learn from us all, and to learn from us all, one should read what we all write

      This is a discussion room, put this in mind
      :(


      Take it easy Tenderness.. anyone would do that :P

      In any case, my answer would refer to the discussion we had because we still havent added anything and there is nothing that we could notice and did not cover it, unless we really missed out something

      Cheers