Remembering September 11

    • Remembering September 11

      Its been three years now.
      Three years since the seed of evil was planted, and is now all grown to be a tree of evil, with its roots everywhere, and its poisonous fruit we are offered everyday

      Politics free
      bias free
      Just as a plain children of this earth
      If we could say a prayer for the victims
      The victims are not only those who died on 9/11, but the victims who also died in Afghanistan... and are dying today in Iraq

      Its been three years... and it will go on to be four and five
      We Shall pray that the tree of evil dies from the poison of its own fruit

      we shall pray for mercy on all the souls who were lost on September 11, 2001
      And mercy on all of the hearts that were lost.. when Hatred and cruelty for fellow mankind have infected them

      We shall say a prayer for better tomorrow when the rememberence would be for the growth of the seed of goodness and respcet for humans lives everywhere

    • Oh... and just a thought to refresh the narrow-minded souls out there, who have missed the point of "The Message of Peace" i


      "There's no justification for any Muslim to kill innocent people to get at the guilty ones. That's against Islam--you don't kill the innocent to get to the guilty, or those you think are guilty..."

      "A [devout] Muslim couldn't have done that, couldn't have ordered prostitutes and drank liquor. Their indoctrination had killed their religion. Their indoctrination had driven their religion out of their minds and hearts." i
      W.D. Mohammed, leading African-American Muslim


      "It's not courage in any way to kill an innocent person, or to kill thousands of people, including men and women and children,"i

      "The killing of men, women and children is a horrible and brutal action, which cannot be approved by the monotheist religions nor by sane men,"i
      Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi

      "Our hearts bleed for the attacks that has targeted the World Trade Center [WTC], as well as other institutions in the United States despite our strong oppositions to the American biased policy towards Israel on the military, political and economic fronts.
      Islam, the religion of tolerance, holds the human soul in high esteem, and considers the attack against innocent human beings a grave sin."i
      Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi

    • I didn't remember it till I saw yout topic. It seems that you have a good memory to remember the important events that happened in history.
      Days passed quickly and it seems as if it was yesterday when it happened? Many things changed in the world and many wars and blood were swept every sopt around the world..
      May Allah protect us from the coming eveil and keep us away from all the bloody wars..

      Thanks sister for reminding us by this event

    • Why? What happened on september 11th? and like Scream said I have never thought about it or even came to my mind trying to remember till the media reminded me and Mrs. too

      All started by the media and it is going to be this way dominated by the media and poor people like us are the spectators who trust and believe what the stupid media tells

      Like you said Mrs. we are against killing innocent people, nevermind where, america, sudan, afghanistan, wherever

      funny we do not remember other hot, sad and tragic events took place, sure we are, the , the people, but what can we say, the media is not interested or those behind it are not

      Thanks Mrs. for the reminder and I will go staraight away and light a remeberance candel
      and read some of the holy Quran for those the media insisted to forget and ignore


      10denress

    • Well I still remember that event and this date pretty well...

      I was in the United States on a scholarship when it happened, particularly in Philadelphi which is the capital city of Pennsylvania.

      And I always had the same feeling like yours ever since it happened. But you know what some of the Americans themselves used to tell me?!! they think that Israil was probably behind it and not muslims

      I never cared what different people thought, yet I sympathized those incocents whether the victims themselves or who lost them

      Media makes a big fuss out of everything they know that they could benifit from ... wHO'S America to be so special from others.. I bet most of us don't remember when most of the muslim countries had the same kind of thing. And the reason is simply because no one cares to give a damn care about those... But hei this is AMERICA... people should never turn events encountered by her into an old book of history

      and the seed of evil!!! was not planted just three years ago! but very very long back ago long with the start of the mankind in life

      I think we rather forget about it, and think more of what our religon is truelly all about


      Mercy on all

    • Most people did forget.. As they have forgotten all the other things that happened before and after 9/11

      amalsami
      Yes.. Even though the american Media is pretty good at brain -washing its people.. Still Many opposing opinions were made about who have done it

      But it doesnt matter who done it, because its wont justify the action.. and it wont bring not even a tiny bit of relief whatsoever

      Evil is there since mankind existed.. but it is a little obvious how the 9/11 event have triggered all the Horrible events thaht happened later .. even if it was just as a sorry excuse
      This is the tree that was planted on that day

      funny we do not remember other hot, sad and tragic events took place, sure we are, the , the people, but what can we say, the media is not interested or those behind it are not

      If you chose to forget, you will. By the media, its probably the Arab media you're refering too, and not did they only forgot and made the people forget 9/11., but they are somehow very good at ignoring whats happening everyday to thier own people... so no wonder everyone have forgotten this day


      dont want to go through this.. it was just a "Gentle Reminder" for only a fraction of tragedies.. and to say a prayer or two for a fraction of victims that are lost

      the day is over now.. we can forget again #e i

    • the day was horrible but remmbering it to shed tears is no useful for we as arabs have our own problems that were results of that day but to remmber that day we should reflect on it deeply. mrs unfaithfu said that the devil was planted befor three years and i belive that that same devil was planted befor tens of years in our own land. everybody should ask who is really behind that work and who is the most one getting benfits from all this. i would say that we know nothing because politics is a dirty game that knows no morals or inocence.the players of this game are only the devil that caused the misery and suffer for even their own people.after that day Iraq and Afganistan were occupied for no justifiable reason but(oil and power) and muslims and arabs are accused of terror everywher even poor palistinians who arefighting for their legal rights. and i would ask again for whom all this is happening.
      some said that we forgot and arabic media ignoring that day. for those i would say we should remmber war of 1948 and link all what happen that day with what is going now. who runs the war now knows clearly what is his aims and how to derive them because he is the devil that was basically that was planted. dont forget the world now is fighting the terror defined by this devil. ~!@@ai

    • الطائر المقهور كتب:

      the day was horrible but remmbering it to shed tears is no useful for we as arabs have our own problems that were results of that day but to remmber that day we should reflect on it deeply. mrs unfaithfu said that the devil was planted befor three years and i belive that that same devil was planted befor tens of years in our own land. everybody should ask who is really behind that work and who is the most one getting benfits from all this. i would say that we know nothing because politics is a dirty game that knows no morals or inocence.the players of this game are only the devil that caused the misery and suffer for even their own people.after that day Iraq and Afganistan were occupied for no justifiable reason but(oil and power) and muslims and arabs are accused of terror everywher even poor palistinians who arefighting for their legal rights. and i would ask again for whom all this is happening.
      some said that we forgot and arabic media ignoring that day. for those i would say we should remmber war of 1948 and link all what happen that day with what is going now. who runs the war now knows clearly what is his aims and how to derive them because he is the devil that was basically that was planted. dont forget the world now is fighting the terror defined by this devil. ~!@@ai


      الطائر المقهور
      ok.. your anger is understandable, But still its unacceptable to justify what happened on 9/11 by what has started since 46 years ago.

      To fight a war is to fight with bravery, honor and respect.
      Killing inoccent people is Disgusting. And NOTHING can justify that. Not even 1948.

      Cowerdly killing thousands of inoccent people on 9/11 is a sick action... and is EQUALLY evil as the actions of the Zionists

      I only hope you realize that inoccent people do not deserve to be killed no matter what color, faith, or nationality they are
      $ And cheering for the torture/pain/death of of a fellow human-being is even more disgusting

    • I never were good at history or politics

      But I really don't understand why you particulary link the events of September 11 only to what seems to me to be a broad discussion on speaking out for the inoccents and the victims of wars!!!!!

      Well! we don't have to remember dates and places to keep our humeniterian natures

      if we want to feel we should feel for all, coz as u said no matter what we will still be the same.

      we don't want to be forced to feel or think though that America is better than us, other wise we should state each and every date and event that has occured to each and every counrty had to be victomized once or forever

      can we do that?!!!!

      ah we forget!!! we can't remeber all those, but AMERICA!!!! we shouldn't forget.... and the media should always help us not to!!!!

    • endurance كتب:

      I never were good at history or politics

      But I really don't understand why you particulary link the events of September 11 only to what seems to me to be a broad discussion on speaking out for the inoccents and the victims of wars!!!!!

      Well! we don't have to remember dates and places to keep our humeniterian natures

      if we want to feel we should feel for all, coz as u said no matter what we will still be the same.

      we don't want to be forced to feel or think though that America is better than us, other wise we should state each and every date and event that has occured to each and every counrty had to be victomized once or forever

      can we do that?!!!!

      ah we forget!!! we can't remeber all those, but AMERICA!!!! we shouldn't forget.... and the media should always help us not to!!!!


      I am not very good in politics either, thats why i would'nt remember most of the dates of the tragedies that happened as i am sure most people, because none was named after its date as this one!!!!

      Any other tragedy is as equally sad.... this is only one of them, a rather huge one though

      In a political/historical sense,
      your argument in minimizing the effect of 9/11 doesnt make sense,
      BECAUSE 9/11 happened in america - the most powerful country- it makes it a shock in all througout history. Not because America is so wonderful or amazing, but it IS the most powerfull country and yet it got hit in the heart

      Well! we don't have to remember dates and places to keep our humeniterian natures
      Of course we dont.. but ironically what happened on september 11 2001 is named The Events of september eleventh .... if it makes you happier you could call it "The Events of The World Trade Center and the Pentegon
      oh wait
      it still has the name of the places..
      Ok.. call it "The Events That happened when planes hit Buildings"....i

    • Mrs.Unfaithful كتب:



      I am not very good in politics either, thats why i would'nt remember most of the dates of the tragedies that happened as i am sure most people, because none was named after its date as this one!!!!

      Any other tragedy is as equally sad.... this is only one of them, a rather huge one though

      In a political/historical sense,
      your argument in minimizing the effect of 9/11 doesnt make sense,
      BECAUSE 9/11 happened in america - the most powerful country- it makes it a shock in all througout history. Not because America is so wonderful or amazing, but it IS the most powerfull country and yet it got hit in the heart

      Well! we don't have to remember dates and places to keep our humeniterian natures
      Of course we dont.. but ironically what happened on september 11 2001 is named The Events of september eleventh .... if it makes you happier you could call it "The Events of The World Trade Center and the Pentegon
      oh wait
      it still has the name of the places..
      Ok.. call it "The Events That happened when planes hit Buildings"....i



      You see it huge but it doesn't have to seem so to me, what is happening to Phalestine as one example is thw worst of what could ever be happening to human... no one can disagree with me in that

      Apowerful country can regain its strength, even though it can't forget its pain

      Al3atheem hoo elkhalig suba7anah

      you sound to have taken it offensively from the way to replyed after what I said... know that I had no intentions to offend you, I was rather adding my opinion thats all

      PLACSES: I didn't even think of what u thought I had thought

      from here I don't think I will add anything more... even if you gonna have else to say


      If I was wrong, may Allah forgive me

    • endurance
      no i didnt take it offensivelly ... each has a different opinion and nothing is wrong with that


      Apowerful country can regain its strength, even though it can't forget its pain
      No, not that way. Its not because how america "feels" about it, but how america will "react" upon it. When the most powerfull country is furious and seeking revenge, what could it possibly do???... well... if we were asked this question 4 years ago, most would say its most likely WW3 or a nuclear war. Thats what i meant. We dont stab a monster in his chest and when he gets aggressive and angry in pain and hatred and revenge we stare around naively complaining why is he so pissed off??i

      what is happening to Phalestine as one example is thw worst of what could ever be happening to human... no one can disagree with me in that
      Well i disagree. It is only ONE of the worst that happened to humanity.
      Stalin, Hitler and the Nazi, The Holocoast, WW1 , WW2... were all these just picnics??s
      The issue of palistine goes back to the 1800s. its more tangled up and complicated than just an inhumane occupier.

      Still that doesnt give us the reason to objectify those who died on 9/11 and minimize the tragedy just because "worst has happened"

      At least america started taking her revenge in less than a year after the attack, while its been 46 years for us, and still all we do is whine and blab.. 21 countries and they're all full of S***...i

      And as amalsami said: Let us always pray for all the victims whereever they are and whenever they had what they had... not only on certain days but again always
      *sigh*

    • pissed off


      Hahahaha, looks Mrs. is so angry . Any body knows if we can keep it? I have no idea , I do not know the rules

      ~!@q
      why... whats wrong with "pissed off"?????s



      S*** 0

      What is this? I only could manage to know what the second star stands for, "i", i

      oh really??????s
      if you're suggesting not using the asterisk (i.e the stars) .. i'll be the first one to applaud that. It would definately give us a richer vocabulary for discussions #e i

      (ok.. dont kick me out.. i am joking.. and we dont want you fired neither... #i )i



    • Hello everyone.. it seems that i have missed a lot while I was away..

      Thanks Mrs Unfaithful for the reminder.. I didnt remember it either as I was really busy with my own work, but I someone reminded me in a very funny way. In the last few weeks, I worked as an associate producer with an australian-iranian director who is working on a video for something. Anyway, we were at the the shooting location in one of the shopping malls, and peter was carrying the tripod, the director was carrying the camera because the camera man had that day off. So he was taking some cutaways in the shopping mall when he saw a security man coming towards him, looking at him, so the director preferred to approach him first. Meanwhile, I was doing some other stuff with some other people involved. When he came back to where I was, he came and told me hey Nawar guess what happened?! he told me the story and then he said, I think the security officer thought that I might do a terror attack.. so I wondered why he said that and I asked him why, so he said because it's Sep11. We all laughed, not because it was funny, because the way we remembered was funny!

      There is something interesting I wanted you to look at:
      members.iinet.net.au/~sperna/omgkool.swf

      I found this URL today in my email inbox. I dont know if any of you guys saw it.. but just for the heck of it, you can have a look at it.

      I really feel sorry for all those people who died in this attack, apart from what their religion was. As far as I know, Islam does respect other religions, and there are circumestances to conduct an attack on someone. However, taking it from another angle, this sort of fame the media brought to america has changed many things, not only in countries and politics, but also the way media is done now. Media can make people believe anything, simply do not believe anything from any media whether an arabic one or western one until you heart it with your ears from someone lived the situation or unless you lived the situation itself.

      I quote from a lady in Fehr. 9/11 the movie:
      "Sending the troops to war is not a decision made by Al Qaeda".

      Im not taking the blame away from Al Qaeda, but I understand from a phsycological point of view that there are always many other ways to get what you want other than violance. As Mrs Unfaithful said:

      "we shall pray for mercy on all the souls who were lost on September 11, 2001 and mercy on all of the hearts that were lost.. when Hatred and cruelty for fellow mankind have infected them"

      She is absolutely right, Think of the simplest example, when your brother or sister does something wrong and your parents come to you and blame and tell you off, how do you feel?? Unfair, eh?! It's the same situation, our hatred to those people just because they are non-muslims does not give us the right to also attack them.

      Yes evil was planted many years ago, and I will tell you who did it. It's Iblees. It is the only creature that led mankind to all of this bloody fightings. Do you know what was the situation on earth before Adam and Eve were sent to the earth? The Jin were living here before us, and they also were having fightings and wars. Allah has sent them both to improve the life there. The Angels wondered why Allah has sent someone who may mess up the life on earth, but Allah knew what no one else did.




    • To remember or to forget, it's our choice, I would never say it's the media. If we want to remember something then we will remember it. Media has nothing to do with that.

      el6a2er elmaqhoor, I dont agree that politics is a dirty game, because it's a science in dealing with ruling a group of people. Politics is associated with morals at the same time, if it is not, then it's an incomplete science, because it lacks those morals for good political decisions. Of course I agree with you when you said that it's a war against terror. It's a war against Islam! The diversity in religions is the main cause of all these problems, each group would fight to be the strongest and the best. I met this person Peter who had no religion and we were having an interesting conversation about God and religions. So he said that he preferred to be without a religion because it caused the people many problems, so why following something that causes problems? I dont agree with Peter having this as a reason for not following a religion but I agreed with him that religion caused all these problems. Still, what I mean here by religion, not the religion itself, but the group of people from a certain religion.

      Whatever happened in the arab world, we should remember it. Palestine is part of us that we cant deny. Until this day, Yeah, I still dont believe that arabs were behind Sep11 attack. As dear endurance said as well, that we dont need to remember things by date and time, but it's the feelings that we can share with the whole world.

      Unfortunately in the arab countries we cant protest, all what i heard is going for a walk with couple of shoutings. What I have seen here in Australia at least I consider it as a change in society. I have seen westerns, non-muslims, buddhists, people who have no religions protesting together. One heart, one hand, and one voice to not send the australian troops to Iraq and Afghanistan. Have you heard about Jounry of Hope? It's a Jewish-Christian-Muslim group of people who are working together to spread the word of hope and peace. I have met the president and the vice president and another 2 from the same group. They have started in it Sydney where there are many Arabs and Jew. There are international conferences in Peace, and I have attended one last year and hopefully will go for the one this year insha'a Allah. There are conferences for youth in inter-faith dialogue to start teaching and building up a good foundation to let people change the way they think, and let them think with love not hatred.

      All I can see you guys talking about now is America America America... going on and on and on... Certainly America started taking revenge immediately but we also did in Palestine, but unfortunately did not get the support from any country. In US case, they got the support of the members of UN, France, Italy, UK, Australia, Germany...etc. Poor Palestine did not have a very good relationship with such powerful countries.

      I can go on with this topic forever, but I dont want you all for fall asleep on your keyboard :)

    • dont want to go through this.. it was just a "Gentle Reminder" for only a fraction of tragedies.. and to say a prayer or two for a fraction of victims that are lost

      Do they deserve our prayers?!! Well, I haven't at all pray for them and I will never. I may be cruel in my judgment but my prayers worse my own people who are sinking in bloods. I always pray for our people in Palestine, Iraq, Bosnah, and every part in the world where Muslims are suffering. Sometimes, I wish if I were in their position and to die a death like theirs. To be SAHIDAH rather than dying any normal death.

      May Allah bless all Muslim people around the world.


    • [oh really??????s
      if you're suggesting not using the asterisk (i.e the stars) .. i'll be the first one to applaud that. It would definately give us a richer vocabulary for discussions #e i

      (ok.. dont kick me out.. i am joking.. and we dont want you fired neither... #i )i[/align][/QUOTE]


      Oh S*** Mrs, keep it clean
      #i #i #i

      and keep the discussions on
      :
      P

    • Tenderness كتب:

      Wake up people, good morning


      Scream, thanks a lot, glad to hear you saying all this

      so he said because tit's Sep11. We all laughed

      No wonder, I would laugh too

      Iraq had the 4th strongerst army ... in the world, MEDIA says so



      لا حول و لا قوة الا بالله

      Tenderness honestly you made me feel embaressed.. d**n I havent noticed that, balash fa'9aye7 ya ebni o ester 3alay :P

      I remember once I was reading a book in dad's library and it was about the armies of countries and yes Iraq HAD one of the strongest armies

    • NaWaaaaaR

      thanks for the deep response, you did cover all aspects of the isuue, but it would be really endless to discuss it in a political point of view... there are like 100 different analysis of what exactly happened .. WHO have really done it... And why it was done at the first place

      The Main Point here is that People's lives were lost bruetaly. Mothers, fathers, children ... etc.. 3,000 people were lost ... and those had to business what so ever with the politics behind this sick act.

      i never went accross the link you provided before, but i am not very surprised.. we dont know who to believe or trust anymore... the only thing we truly believe in is that the people who died that day did not deserve it.. ... and they deserve a prayer of mercy on them.

      And who ever was behind that act, will eventually get the penalty and shame of thier actions reflected upon themselves

    • Scream كتب:

      dont want to go through this.. it was just a "Gentle Reminder" for only a fraction of tragedies.. and to say a prayer or two for a fraction of victims that are lost

      Do they deserve our prayers?!! Well, I haven't at all pray for them and I will never. I may be cruel in my judgment but my prayers worse my own people who are sinking in bloods. I always pray for our people in Palestine, Iraq, Bosnah, and every part in the world where Muslims are suffering. Sometimes, I wish if I were in their position and to die a death like theirs. To be SAHIDAH rather than dying any normal death.

      May Allah bless all Muslim people around the world.




      Dear Scream, I want to comment on two things here, first saying prayers and the other one is wishing to be in their place..

      firstly, anyone deserves a prayer, you are not praying for the people only, I will never know what Allah will do for those who died that day. But a prayer wouldnt harm you, instead it may safe them from going to hell.. I understand that Arabs who suffer are worth it, but it's not that we are not praying for them too, but we should have bigger heart and pray for the INNOCENT people.. if this is your case then do not say any prayer to any person who died without feeling the suffer those palestinians are suffering, can you do that? I bet you cant and then you will start contradicting yourself. We did not ignore the iraqis and arabs who died in wars, but we also should think about how those westerners think about us... they also think that arabs who died were innocent.. we should spread love not hatred because it leads us to wars, thats why we are in a middle of splitting blood every where..

      the second thing is, I heard in one of the teachings of prophet Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him) that we should not wish to die, it is good to die as shaheed but what sort of dying are we talking about here? Is it a suicide bombing death? or being shot for no reason? There is du3a2 says:

      اللهم إني أسألك حُسن الخاتمة

      I really dont wish to die like they do, and I prefer to die in a nice way.. If im fighting in a war, thats a good one because I know im fighting to win or to die.. we should always remember that wishing for horrible ways of death is not pleasent, as far as I know.

      Im just saying my opinion and not saying that you are wrong, but perhaps it makes you think again but not ourselves but others as well..

      Cheers