how i can be good in translation

    • how i can be good in translation

      HI every body I m new meber :) I like this site to much i like translation my dream is to be a translater so i would like discussing how we can be good translateres
      I m in the first leve i m studying english language i have a little subject of translation how i can be good in translation i m waitting for your advice
      thanks alot

    • نور الفلا كتب:

      HI every body I m new meber :) I like this site to much i like translation my dream is to be a translater so i would like discussing how we can be good translateres
      I m in the first leve i m studying english language i have a little subject of translation how i can be good in translation i m waitting for your advice
      thanks alot


      Thank you
      نور الفلا
      To get hold of translation one needs to have excellent command of English, and since you are talking about your first attempt of translating something then go for it and do not translate word by word, read a line and 2, get the idea then translate them to the other language as words and ideas order are not the same in both Arabic and English

      The more you learn English the more better your translation will be. I am sure you can have your major at the UNI to be translation and I guess you would learn more and more

      let us hear from others and from you and I will be back as I have few things to add
      :)



      Sorry: moved to English saha

    • نور الفلا كتب:

      Thanks alot for your advice
      which better start with sentences or with text and how i can improve myself
      do you know good books help me in this major?
      May I can show you my trying
      thanks alot


      One more thing I want to add, your arabic language must be excellent too
      Start with a short paraghraph and I promise to follow up with you
      I am not specialist but I am not bad too

    • نور الفلا كتب:

      Thanks alot
      if you like we can practice
      or give me a test if you can


      it is not a test nothing
      Have ago at this and let me know how much time it took you and whether you used a disctionary


      The Sultanate of Oman occupies a vitally important strategic location – a factor that has always been reflected in its foreign policy and trade relations
      Oman, the third largest country in the Arabian Peninsula, has land borders with Yemen, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Oman lies on the Tropic of Cancer, and the total land area is approximately 309,500 sq.kms
      The Sultanate is administratively divided into three governorates ( Muscat, Dhofar and Musandam)and five regions ( Batinah, Dhahirah, Dakhiliyah, Sharqiyiah and Wusta). These governorates and regions comprise several wilayats(59 wilayats)
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    • تحتل سلطنة عمان موقع استراتيجي مهم فكان عامل مهم ساعد على عكس سياستها الخارجية و علاقتها التجارية . تعتبر عمان ثالث اكبر دولة في الخليج العربي لهاحدود مع المملكة العربية السعودية و الامارات العربية المتحده .تقع عمان على مدار السرطان ومساحتها 309,500 كم .
      التقسيم الادراي للسلطنة تنقسم الى ثلاث محافظات مسقط ظفار و مصندم , وتنقسم الي خمس مناطق بتنه, دهارانه, دقهيله , شرقيه و وسطى.
      وتشمل هذه المحافظات و المناطق عدة ولايات .
      اعتذر لو كتبت اسماء الولايات غلط فان من خارج السلطنة العزيزه
      شكرا على اهتمامك

    • و مصندم = مسندم
      بتنه = الباطنه
      دهارانه = الظاهره
      دقهيله= الداخليه



      i wish brother

      Tenderness
      will check the reast of the text



      my advice for you brother about how to be agood translator is to read the papers and listen to the news and dont miss any new words,,,, know them very well and practice them


      wish you all the best

    • نور الفلا كتب:

      تحتل سلطنة عمان موقع استراتيجي مهم فكان عامل مهم ساعد على عكس سياستها الخارجية و علاقتها التجارية . تعتبر عمان ثالث اكبر دولة في الخليج العربي لهاحدود مع المملكة العربية السعودية و الامارات العربية المتحده .تقع عمان على مدار السرطان ومساحتها 309,500 كم .
      التقسيم الادراي للسلطنة تنقسم الى ثلاث محافظات مسقط ظفار و مصندم , وتنقسم الي خمس مناطق بتنه, دهارانه, دقهيله , شرقيه و وسطى.
      وتشمل هذه المحافظات و المناطق عدة ولايات .
      اعتذر لو كتبت اسماء الولايات غلط فان من خارج السلطنة العزيزه
      شكرا على اهتمامك


      تحتل سلطنة عمان موقعاً استراتيجياً مهماً انعكس بصورة جلية على سياستها الخارجية وعلاقاتها التجارية.
      وتحتل سلطنة عمان المركز الثالث من حيث المساحة في شبه الجزيرة العربية، وتشترك بحدود برية مع كل من اليمن، المملكة العربية السعودية والامارات العربية المتحدة.
      تقع سلطنة عمان ضمن مدار السرطان وتبلغ مساحتها309،500 كيلومترا مربعا
      تقسم السلطنة اداريا الى ثلاثة محافظات (مسقط، ظفار ومسندم)، وخمسة مناطق (الباطنة، الظاهرة، الداخلية، الشرقية والوسطى)، وتشكل هذه المحافظات والمناطق عدة ولايات..............الخ

      نفس المعاني ونفس الترجمة تقريبا ولكن هنا تاتي الاضافات اللغوية والقوة في اللغة العربية، اي ان الترجمة فن

      المهم ترجمتك جيدة جدا ولعلها تكون افضل مني، وفقك الله اخي الكريم
      وانا لا زلت وما ازال هنا اذا اردت شيئا
      رمضان كريم
      :)


    • Dear نور الفلا welcome to the english forum

      I can help you in translation techniques as I have done 2 major tests in them and passed them with merits

      First of all, you do need to be good in english as well as arabic, but not only the academic english but also the conversational english and arabic.. there are many informal words that may come across and you will need to understand them.

      as Tenderness said before, you should understand the main idea and then translate.. the secret here is the way you put your words together, whether you translating an arabic text or english text

      you should also be good in terms of knowing the synonymous of words because one word may not be strong enough to reflect the same strength of the meaning of the word you are translating or the sentence you are translating.. also make sure when translating to make sure that the message is interpreted in the same way even if it is translated... because when translating in many cases, the sentence loses its meaning.. so you have to be careful

      i will be back if i have something on my mind

    • . hi noor Al Fulla
      I think if you have the ambitious to practice and learn more about the translation.. In Shaallah that will be very easy to use. My suggestion as the supervisor for this saha said to you try to understand the whole idea, then translate by your understanding
      Avoid translating word by the word because this will not work

    • I m happy to much thanks alot for your advice
      Main idead that i got from you
      be good in both languages
      understanding the text well
      reading in both language
      avoid translate word by the word
      i have to practice
      so i have an idea to help me and all who wants to practice may one of you give us a text every week as a lesson
      what do you think about it
      thanks


    • Im back again.. I just wanted to let you know that I have articles that helped me a lot in understanding the translation profession.. I also wanted to know whether you really meant translation or interpreting, because they are different things..

      For translation, you will need to be enthusiast, having a good skill in learning languages, and make sense of a sentence rather that a literal translation of the word like Tenderness and Bright Star said

      You also need to understand the culture of what you are writing, are you writing about japanese or canadians? are you translating from arabic to english or the opposite? are you translating the same meaning with the same idea or intention? you will need to consider all of these things

      Keep in mind that when you translate to stick to professionalism because most of the arabic text is formal arabic and when translating you will need a formal written english style. Having a good academic background in written english is very helpful as well

      You will need to understand the areas of the texts as well.. is it in business, technology, medicine? because they have different terms also

      will be back after few hours!!i

    • نور الفلا كتب:

      I m happy to much thanks alot for your advice
      Main idead that i got from you
      be good in both languages
      understanding the text well
      reading in both language
      avoid translate word by the word
      i have to practice
      so i have an idea to help me and all who wants to practice may one of you give us a text every week as a lesson
      what do you think about it
      thanks


      It would be very helpful if you open a new thread and post a topic with the title "Things to consider when translating" for example.. and you can sumarize whatever points we have discussed here..

      and you are most welcome.. if you want me to send you the articles I have, then let me know.. I can zip the file and link it to the forum.. let me know if you do want that.. if you read these articles, you will find that the translation and interpretation is a profession that can die quickly inside a person, but you need to understand it from different aspects and areas..

      and yeah I think it will be good to have some text to translate.. and at least be familiar with the arabic words that have different levels of strength in their meaning

      Good luck

    • Honest كتب:

      Tenderness

      you are right brother about what you have said it doesnt matter but to be honest with you my English level doesnt reach to translation level

      we are all learning and we are here to help ourself


      ramadan kareem to you as well and thanks


      Sure dear Honest
      No worries
      Ramadan Kareem

      Next week we will start saying Happy Eid
      كل عام وانت والجميع بخير
      :)

    • You also need to understand the culture of what you are writing, are you writing about japanese or canadians? are you translating from arabic to english or the opposite? are you translating the same meaning with the same idea or intention? you will need to consider all of these things


      This is right and very important thing
      CULTURE
      I will add SENSATIONS

      Thank you eL3aJoOoZ_NaWaR and
      نور الفلا

      :)

    • Tenderness كتب:

      You also need to understand the culture of what you are writing, are you writing about japanese or canadians? are you translating from arabic to english or the opposite? are you translating the same meaning with the same idea or intention? you will need to consider all of these things


      This is right and very important thing
      CULTURE
      I will add SENSATIONS

      Thank you eL3aJoOoZ_NaWaR and
      نور الفلا

      :)


      What are you refering sensations to in this profession, Tenderness??i

      Because I just wanted to understand the connection that you are creating here :)

    • eL3aJoOoZ_NaWaR كتب:


      What are you refering sensations to in this profession, Tenderness??i

      Because I just wanted to understand the connection that you are creating here :)


      Ouch, let me check what does the word sensations means first $$-e , I did

      Well, we are talking about translating a language to another, and I believe body has its own language, a language that cannot be expressed by words most of the times but it does indeed reflects a state of mind
      When writing a scenario you would say
      Tenderness cries out (stands up with his left hand on his tie, and and combing his hair with his right), here we translate and put the other party with the state of Tenderness

      When translating what one speaks or says his feelings and sensations should be taken in comsideration
      I think
      :)
      Sorry if I am not so clear
      $$-e
      OR
      could not express my self right

    • Tenderness كتب:

      Ouch, let me check what does the word sensations means first $$-e , I did

      Well, we are talking about translating a language to another, and I believe body has its own language, a language that cannot be expressed by words most of the times but it does indeed reflects a state of mind
      When writing a scenario you would say
      Tenderness cries out (stands up with his left hand on his tie, and and combing his hair with his right), here we translate and put the other party with the state of Tenderness

      When translating what one speaks or says his feelings and sensations should be taken in comsideration
      I think
      :)
      Sorry if I am not so clear
      $$-e
      OR
      could not express my self right


      Oh yeah of course.. you're right!! you did express yourself right, but did explain enough for people like me to understand well what you meant :) you know 3ajooz o este3abi is so slow, im still with P2 processor in my mind.. lol..

      But yeah, body language is the life saver here.. at least we all agreed on certain body gestures to concieve the meaning of what we are saying.. to eat is to pose or move the way a person is eating for example, then it comes to expressions and feelings of a person, that one can see someone feeling blue, then a person can understand and ask, sad?! just one word is more than enough to ask about the feelings of a person

    • نور الفلا كتب:

      eL3aJoOoZ_NaWaR thank you very much
      i like it I read some of them realy they sound helping


      No worries mate.. I will let you know if there are any other stuff related to the profession and helpful.. and I will keep an eye on the new issues regarding this matter..It's my pleasure to help anyone here
      ;)

    • to be a good transilator try to keep every thing as itself.

      i'm sorry for that but translation wont help you that much in learning english.
      do you know why?
      because you have to think in english to be good at english.
      i saw your translation it's quite good.that mean you're good in english but you need little more practise.
      my advice for you is to read,think and understand the text in english then translate simply in arabic just to understand it not to be profissional in translation.that if you want to learn english in the right way...